Read an article in WW concerning Mormons leaving Portland. The comments are what you would expect. Much hate for and sneering at the Mormon faith and its practioners.
No idea or understanding of the human capital lost. Quiet and decent people who held jobs, paid taxes, kept families together, obeyed laws and etc. Just snark and loathing.
Apparently, Portland will remain weird and expand on that desire.
I was doing some ancestry work a couple years back. My great-uncle's conviction for a gun crime in 1897 is still on the books. As he withdrew his revolver from the flour sack he used as a holster he dropped it and shot his foot. I must talk to someone. If, lord willing, he were to be revived this ancient misunderstanding could be flung in his face. About time his record should disappear, don't you think?
Ms. Hayes's comment below speaks for itself. Pam's key sentence goes to the heart of it: "But what if the people shooting and getting shot tend to be black?"
The avoidance of this leads to the multiplicity of local "disproportion" reporting--and ignoring cases in which the disproportion simply cannot be the result of any form of "racism." In which data indicates failures on a societal level that, papered over, only dig the hole deeper.
Until the "community" (a gross misnomer) can face this, it will continue to drive a wedge between races. And empower the politics of envy, hate, corruption, hypocrisy, and self-interest which are destroying a city.
So much wrong in this article, who is the attorney you mentioned? Definitely not Mr.Hayes attorney. Mr. Hayes was not a crip and the others involved where not all gang member's. Your continued use of the word offender is extremely offense and is almost a subtle way or reminding people of the offense. PLEASE tell me what this article was supposed to be about because the focus seemed to change to Quanice. Quanice never was arrested or convicted so is this article is about senate bill 819 why mention Quanice? Maybe after you lied and filled in the blanks the way you wanted you lacked content so you decided to change the focus to Quanice. As Terrence’s wife I am extremely upset. Terrence has been extremely transparent and honest so for you to interview him and write such a terrible article has my mind boggling! This article is terrible. Respectfully!
Yes, Terrence Hayes was transparent and honest in his interview with me.
He could be an improvement over many of the cop watchers who currently serve on Portland's various police oversight groups. The granddaddy of them all is Dan Handelman of the private Portland Copwatch and also serves on the city-affiliated Police Accountability Commission.
Handelman is a pacifist. He doesn't even like the word "bullet." He once objected to a speaker who referred to "bulletpoints" on a graphic. Handelman wants people to say "dots" not "bulletpoints."
I'm guessing a guy like Terrence might be in a better position to advise police on how to deal with violence than Handelman.
What does Quanice have to do with Terrence? They're cousins. It's too bad Quanice did not learn from his older cousin. It's too bad Quanice's mother, grandmother and great grandmother did not learn from Terrence. Perhaps they showered Quanice with excuses -- you know, systemic racism.
You know who else didn't learn from Terrence? Check the photo that ran with the OPB story on his expungement:
The three smiling faces looking on as Terrence speaks belong to Multnomah County District Attorney Michael Schmidt, state Sen. Lew Frederick (D-Portland) and Lewis & Clark law professor Aliza Kaplan. Safely ensconced in their prosperous progressive professions, they don't worry about becoming a victim of a Quanice or a young Terrence. The OPB story doesn't even mention a victim.
With news of the weekend's high-profile shooting in Bend, this trio will be among those who blame the gun that was involved -- not the young man who had a history of violent behavior that went unpunished. Kind of like Quanice who, in fact, was arrested and booked. But he ran off with no fear of being caught and held accountable.
The trio in the photo are among the politicians and experts who like to say our criminal justice system is broken. They are doing their best to break it -- with the acquiescence of the media.
Perhaps Terrence will be in a position now to remind them of why we need laws.
Just to be clear, this troll (who calls himself "Lars K Larson" the exact name of the radio host), but this "thing" is a fraud who hates cops, victims and feels it necessary, in his pathetic life, to steal someone else’s identity.
It says much of Richard’s true devotion to real free speech that whoever this pathetic wannabe may be, unwilling to even defend opinions that aren’t even his own, he is nonetheless given voice, when no such allowance would be given by the MSM if the roles were reversed.
Hadn't realized the fellow had lifted S. Hayes's identity. Will my credulousness never cease? It was the diction and intellectual development of the argument that fooled me.
That’s hilarious. According to The O’s editorializing, simply criticizing any member of a “protected group” means I’m a hater.
Here’s a sample of my “hateful” website. I chose this essay from three years ago just for you because it includes the best protest sign I’ve ever seen in Portland: “Skin color is not an accomplishment.”
This piece from Ms. Fitzsimmons should be required reading for the self-anointed progressive "leadership" in Portland and elsewhere, which reduces repeat criminals, especially young black men, in essence to hapless, pull-string, nihilistic automatons with little or willpower and self-discipline. Perpetual, all-purpose victims of society with no option besides short-term anti-social, hedonistic pursuits. But it reliably brings in the Democratic votes.
The otherwise evocative portrait from journalist Leah Sottile falls well short as well, ironically on her own terms, though still miles better than the coverage from the leftist advocacy-journalism hacks at The Oregonian/Oregon Live, or Willamette Week. Sottile's own website's house aphorism is "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored". The reply to prog media sources on Quanice Hayes and his ilk should be, "Physicians, heal thyselves".
Credible factual understanding must include minimal factual context. First off? Opportunistic social justice hype notwithstanding, before Quanice Hayes in 2017 the previous killing of a black man by Portland police was Aaron Campbell in.....2010. Now that's arch-racist big city carnage for you! Then came the initial reports on Hayes for public consumption, including in The O. Sottile herself references Teressa Raiford, in favorable terms. Oh, and it was not a "toy gun" but a replica .45, which Quanice used to menace and rob.
Raiford is a longtime PDX political gadfly and ersatz race activist. Despicably, she claimed loudly and repeatedly, on behalf of the family, that Hayes had been "murdered": shot 17 times, mostly in the back. The O simply printed her dangerously inflammatory crapola. Sottile correctly reports it was three times from the front, but is unwilling or unable to address Raiford's toxic effect on her community. The O just moved on, and quotes Teressa Raiford without condition or qualification to this day.
Then we have Quanice's mother, Venus Hayes. There is no reason not to credit her grief as with any bereaved mother. One could even forgive the situational influence of the repugnant leech, Raiford. But the honest search for those proverbial "root causes" should not paper over her own brazen criminality and other relevant shameful behavior. We'll focus for purposes of this discussion on her tacky illustrative conduct after the death of her son, not on, for one example--per public court records--her own gun crime conviction in 2012.
From public appearances concerning Quanice's death to a bench warrant for her arrest that's live on this very day, 8/28/22, Venus Hayes has per public court records repeatedly failed to appear on multiple still-pending criminal charges in Multnomah County. (Coulda just walked upstairs from courthouse Say His Name event steps--or the police walked down.) After the better part of a million dollars disbursed to her in 2021 from the City's feckless settlement with her civil rights ambulance-chasers, Venus was evicted from her place for multiple late-night party violations under her lease, including one gathering in which an invitee was shot and hospitalized.
Wipe away the truth, asks Ms. Fitzsimmons? Especially the portions inconvenient to toxic, dishonest social "justice" group-victimhood narratives debasing Portland and so many other cities every single day, to incalculable cost? Best wishes to cousin Terrence Hayes. One waits eagerly to see just what his Focused Intervention Team Community Oversight Group will--and will not--be focusing upon.
This exquisitely reported piece reveals, against both what I and the lefties usually rail, that for some people prison can actually be redemptive, nd therefore the very best place for the, their family, and the community.
Great article - there is so much I could comment on but I’ll pick this obscure ancillary point that Hayes makes.
“Hayes passionately described the frustration of watching white children playing with guns without fear of getting shot – while he couldn’t let his son play with a toy gun because the police might fear for their lives.”
Wrong. I’m not so worried about my son and his friends playing with their bright neon orange and blue nerf guns - and neither should Hayes. but no way does he get to “play” with our old replica revolver or anything remotely resembling a real gun. I’ve had to lecture him many times on the danger that fake guns pose to police should they find themselves in the middle of something, whether intentional or not. Following commands given by police officers is also something we reinforce. Who knows, but perhaps instilling these lessons early has something to do with avoiding potential deadly confrontations with police?!
I would also encourage all involved to read and follow Heather Mac Donald, Thomas Sowell and Bob Woodson, to name a few, for a balanced perspective and dare I say “wake up call” to the realities and root causes of black crime.
Read an article in WW concerning Mormons leaving Portland. The comments are what you would expect. Much hate for and sneering at the Mormon faith and its practioners.
No idea or understanding of the human capital lost. Quiet and decent people who held jobs, paid taxes, kept families together, obeyed laws and etc. Just snark and loathing.
Apparently, Portland will remain weird and expand on that desire.
I was doing some ancestry work a couple years back. My great-uncle's conviction for a gun crime in 1897 is still on the books. As he withdrew his revolver from the flour sack he used as a holster he dropped it and shot his foot. I must talk to someone. If, lord willing, he were to be revived this ancient misunderstanding could be flung in his face. About time his record should disappear, don't you think?
Ms. Hayes's comment below speaks for itself. Pam's key sentence goes to the heart of it: "But what if the people shooting and getting shot tend to be black?"
The avoidance of this leads to the multiplicity of local "disproportion" reporting--and ignoring cases in which the disproportion simply cannot be the result of any form of "racism." In which data indicates failures on a societal level that, papered over, only dig the hole deeper.
Until the "community" (a gross misnomer) can face this, it will continue to drive a wedge between races. And empower the politics of envy, hate, corruption, hypocrisy, and self-interest which are destroying a city.
So much wrong in this article, who is the attorney you mentioned? Definitely not Mr.Hayes attorney. Mr. Hayes was not a crip and the others involved where not all gang member's. Your continued use of the word offender is extremely offense and is almost a subtle way or reminding people of the offense. PLEASE tell me what this article was supposed to be about because the focus seemed to change to Quanice. Quanice never was arrested or convicted so is this article is about senate bill 819 why mention Quanice? Maybe after you lied and filled in the blanks the way you wanted you lacked content so you decided to change the focus to Quanice. As Terrence’s wife I am extremely upset. Terrence has been extremely transparent and honest so for you to interview him and write such a terrible article has my mind boggling! This article is terrible. Respectfully!
Yes, Terrence Hayes was transparent and honest in his interview with me.
He could be an improvement over many of the cop watchers who currently serve on Portland's various police oversight groups. The granddaddy of them all is Dan Handelman of the private Portland Copwatch and also serves on the city-affiliated Police Accountability Commission.
Handelman is a pacifist. He doesn't even like the word "bullet." He once objected to a speaker who referred to "bulletpoints" on a graphic. Handelman wants people to say "dots" not "bulletpoints."
I'm guessing a guy like Terrence might be in a better position to advise police on how to deal with violence than Handelman.
What does Quanice have to do with Terrence? They're cousins. It's too bad Quanice did not learn from his older cousin. It's too bad Quanice's mother, grandmother and great grandmother did not learn from Terrence. Perhaps they showered Quanice with excuses -- you know, systemic racism.
You know who else didn't learn from Terrence? Check the photo that ran with the OPB story on his expungement:
https://www.opb.org/article/2022/08/14/multnomah-county-da-revisits-past-convictions-under-program-to-right-previous-wrongs/
The three smiling faces looking on as Terrence speaks belong to Multnomah County District Attorney Michael Schmidt, state Sen. Lew Frederick (D-Portland) and Lewis & Clark law professor Aliza Kaplan. Safely ensconced in their prosperous progressive professions, they don't worry about becoming a victim of a Quanice or a young Terrence. The OPB story doesn't even mention a victim.
With news of the weekend's high-profile shooting in Bend, this trio will be among those who blame the gun that was involved -- not the young man who had a history of violent behavior that went unpunished. Kind of like Quanice who, in fact, was arrested and booked. But he ran off with no fear of being caught and held accountable.
The trio in the photo are among the politicians and experts who like to say our criminal justice system is broken. They are doing their best to break it -- with the acquiescence of the media.
Perhaps Terrence will be in a position now to remind them of why we need laws.
Pamela Fitzsimmons is a white supremacist.
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/08/longtime-legislative-staffer-for-betsy-johnson-repeatedly-voiced-hateful-views-online-toward-black-muslim-and-lgbtq-people.html
Just to be clear, this troll (who calls himself "Lars K Larson" the exact name of the radio host), but this "thing" is a fraud who hates cops, victims and feels it necessary, in his pathetic life, to steal someone else’s identity.
It says much of Richard’s true devotion to real free speech that whoever this pathetic wannabe may be, unwilling to even defend opinions that aren’t even his own, he is nonetheless given voice, when no such allowance would be given by the MSM if the roles were reversed.
Hadn't realized the fellow had lifted S. Hayes's identity. Will my credulousness never cease? It was the diction and intellectual development of the argument that fooled me.
That’s hilarious. According to The O’s editorializing, simply criticizing any member of a “protected group” means I’m a hater.
Here’s a sample of my “hateful” website. I chose this essay from three years ago just for you because it includes the best protest sign I’ve ever seen in Portland: “Skin color is not an accomplishment.”
https://www.heldtoanswer.com/2019/08/antifas-special-brand-of-hate/
Being white isn't an accomplishment, methford.
That's telling her.
Which is why I liked that protest sign and singled it out. “Skin color is not an accomplishment.” Whatever the color is implicit.
Since it’s so important to you, please note that I am a light beige American mutt.
Perhaps Melvin Van Peebles can help you work through your own bigotry:
http://www.heldtoanswer.com/2020/06/americas-black-curse/
Golly.
This piece from Ms. Fitzsimmons should be required reading for the self-anointed progressive "leadership" in Portland and elsewhere, which reduces repeat criminals, especially young black men, in essence to hapless, pull-string, nihilistic automatons with little or willpower and self-discipline. Perpetual, all-purpose victims of society with no option besides short-term anti-social, hedonistic pursuits. But it reliably brings in the Democratic votes.
The otherwise evocative portrait from journalist Leah Sottile falls well short as well, ironically on her own terms, though still miles better than the coverage from the leftist advocacy-journalism hacks at The Oregonian/Oregon Live, or Willamette Week. Sottile's own website's house aphorism is "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored". The reply to prog media sources on Quanice Hayes and his ilk should be, "Physicians, heal thyselves".
Credible factual understanding must include minimal factual context. First off? Opportunistic social justice hype notwithstanding, before Quanice Hayes in 2017 the previous killing of a black man by Portland police was Aaron Campbell in.....2010. Now that's arch-racist big city carnage for you! Then came the initial reports on Hayes for public consumption, including in The O. Sottile herself references Teressa Raiford, in favorable terms. Oh, and it was not a "toy gun" but a replica .45, which Quanice used to menace and rob.
Raiford is a longtime PDX political gadfly and ersatz race activist. Despicably, she claimed loudly and repeatedly, on behalf of the family, that Hayes had been "murdered": shot 17 times, mostly in the back. The O simply printed her dangerously inflammatory crapola. Sottile correctly reports it was three times from the front, but is unwilling or unable to address Raiford's toxic effect on her community. The O just moved on, and quotes Teressa Raiford without condition or qualification to this day.
Then we have Quanice's mother, Venus Hayes. There is no reason not to credit her grief as with any bereaved mother. One could even forgive the situational influence of the repugnant leech, Raiford. But the honest search for those proverbial "root causes" should not paper over her own brazen criminality and other relevant shameful behavior. We'll focus for purposes of this discussion on her tacky illustrative conduct after the death of her son, not on, for one example--per public court records--her own gun crime conviction in 2012.
From public appearances concerning Quanice's death to a bench warrant for her arrest that's live on this very day, 8/28/22, Venus Hayes has per public court records repeatedly failed to appear on multiple still-pending criminal charges in Multnomah County. (Coulda just walked upstairs from courthouse Say His Name event steps--or the police walked down.) After the better part of a million dollars disbursed to her in 2021 from the City's feckless settlement with her civil rights ambulance-chasers, Venus was evicted from her place for multiple late-night party violations under her lease, including one gathering in which an invitee was shot and hospitalized.
Wipe away the truth, asks Ms. Fitzsimmons? Especially the portions inconvenient to toxic, dishonest social "justice" group-victimhood narratives debasing Portland and so many other cities every single day, to incalculable cost? Best wishes to cousin Terrence Hayes. One waits eagerly to see just what his Focused Intervention Team Community Oversight Group will--and will not--be focusing upon.
This exquisitely reported piece reveals, against both what I and the lefties usually rail, that for some people prison can actually be redemptive, nd therefore the very best place for the, their family, and the community.
Great article - there is so much I could comment on but I’ll pick this obscure ancillary point that Hayes makes.
“Hayes passionately described the frustration of watching white children playing with guns without fear of getting shot – while he couldn’t let his son play with a toy gun because the police might fear for their lives.”
Wrong. I’m not so worried about my son and his friends playing with their bright neon orange and blue nerf guns - and neither should Hayes. but no way does he get to “play” with our old replica revolver or anything remotely resembling a real gun. I’ve had to lecture him many times on the danger that fake guns pose to police should they find themselves in the middle of something, whether intentional or not. Following commands given by police officers is also something we reinforce. Who knows, but perhaps instilling these lessons early has something to do with avoiding potential deadly confrontations with police?!
I would also encourage all involved to read and follow Heather Mac Donald, Thomas Sowell and Bob Woodson, to name a few, for a balanced perspective and dare I say “wake up call” to the realities and root causes of black crime.