“ you’d have to be a fairly brave local in Portland to sit on a jury that convicted two Antifa thugs. Antifa were roaming the halls of the courthouse, hoping to intimidate the claimant and others”.....imagine you were on the jury against a cop!
our fellow citizens give them a pass. I understood Obama's re-election to have been a catastrophe as it ensured the corruption of every American governmental institution. Frankly, I didn't care much for his putative son either.
As I walked through N Portland that re-election evening I looked at the lights within the homes and understood that I was far different in my thinking than my fellows.
During the peaceful canonization of George Floyd I watched the hateful burining, thieving lie that is BLM and the irresponsible viciousness of Antifa and I felt confirmed in my thinking on that evening of his second term. Well, I believe Antifa is under care and guidance and so responsible to a master. The bottomless supply of young and or educated whites, especially women demonstrated then and confirms now that my education and belief system is a profound mismatch with portland's elite.
The system doesn't yawn, it subsidizes and cheers on.
If anyone hasn't seen it yet, the case just turned in Ngo's favor because three deviant slacktivists didn't show up in court. Watch for no more "property can be replaced..." rubbish when THEY have to pay up!
The fact that Andy Ngo had to bring a civil case is in itself an outrage. The entirety of the law-abiding populace of Portland should be up in arms over this case. I have never seen a more egregious dismissal of law and order than in this case. The lawyer for Antifa should be charged with jury intimidation, the judge should be removed from the bench for allowing it to happen, and Mike Schmidt should be removed from office for not having brought criminal charges in the first place. The people of Portland are so invested in "Keeping Portland Weird" and in being the most progressive of cities, that they have allowed themselves to be cowed by a tyranny of the violent minority. It makes me sad how grateful I am to no longer call this formerly beautiful city home.
For some locals on the verge of moving away (even from the wider metro area that's going woke) it would be vital to have a scientific poll of how many Portlanders fully or partly supported the actual riots. One hopes it's under 10% but something like 30% wouldn't be surprising.
It would depend on when people were polled. In the actual city of Portland, if you polled people the first night I'll bet it wa 80+%. By the time we got to the 100th night, it was probably down to 20-25%.
You literally think 4/5ths of the city supported Antifa/BLM riots at one point? Any specific source for that?
Many people moved here for the climate and scenery, not because we knew you were supposed to be radically stupid to fit in. During the riots, there were large groups lamenting them while still towing the BLM narrative. Jokes are made about "mostly peaceful" but in terms of numbers, it was true. Of course, damages don't require most to be involved.
I'd be surprised if most hill dwellers in expensive homes are ultra liberal, as money tends to breed conservatism. Police know the residences of arrestees and kettlees, which should give demographic insight on the whole thing.
Also, just to be clear, I don't remotely think that the majority of Portlanders approved the antifa-led riots, but I do think that they approved the daytime, organized protests at first.
Yes, I literally do think that on the first night 4/5 of the people within Portland city limits were supportive. As for my source, I said in my original comment that it was my own opinion and experience.
In speaking with people personally, and from reading the newspapers and watching the local tv stations, there were VERY few who said that they didn't support the protests at first. Most of those I spoke with and saw interviewed about the waning support specifically said that they had been sympathetic at first but then thought that things had gone on too long and gotten too out of hand.
The large groups that lamenting the riots did not appear until days after they started, and really kicked in when the daytime protests stopped and the nighttime thuggery continued.
I agree with you, many of us did move to the Portland area for the natural beauty and the creative, vibrant city atmosphere, not necessarily to be over-the-top radical. Sadly, we were also people who very much believed in "live and let live", but the progressive left decided that was no longer acceptable and that everyone had to toe an ideological line or pay the price for dissent.
I was one of the hill dwellers in an expensive home, and in my neighborhood there were more yards with those stupid "In this house..." and BLM yard signs than not. And mine was a supposedly conservative area. Conservative for Portland doesn't necessarily mean conservative in reality.
I've come to see anyone who still has a Burn, Loot, Murder sign in their yard as pragmatically evil or naïve the the point of catatonia. How can they not see what their cause has done to the city by crippling the police and unleashing gangs & homeless? Do they think phantom Nazis did all that damage? Jo Ann Hardesty got away with implying that cops burned things in the streets to mimic Antifa.
In early June, 2020 when smug mobs cornered police in their caged Justice Center, I was passing by before a nightly riot started and told some cops I support them. It was noisy but one black bloc cretin overheard me and almost organized a posse. They were too fixated on their prey to follow through but I was prepared to maim any attackers. The police just had to stand there and bear the vitriol, lasers and thrown objects (I felt like renting a helicopter and dumping industrial waste on the whole crowd). KGW made some good videos with several cops talking about those days.
Later, in March 2021,. when cops scored a win by kettling Antifa near the Safeway on Lovejoy, I also chanced to be in the area. Not yet knowing what was going on, I walked up to the store but it was closed for safety. Some screechy 20ish woman (with the typical woke cadence) was screaming the full BLM playbook in a cop's face and I was tempted to say "Shut up, you Marxist dingbat!", but they'd have swarmed like army ants! OPB and others spun their articles to emphasize that kettling is "controversial," but it was very satisfying to watch. That night probably netted good intel as they took photos and IDs of 100 or so.
I can't think of ANYTHING good that came from BLM and its Antifa boosters,. except the rush they got in their own minds, which may have surpassed some of their sleazy drug trips or kink sessions. The irritating thing is that they still lurk in the city, often hiding behind pseudo COVID masks these days.
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That little gay Asian guy, Ngo? More guts than a slaughterhouse and if I could be someone else and so be more than I am or if I could acquire heroic personal qualities it would be those which Ngo possesses. I have stood nearly lip to lip with Antifa and know them to be the nastiest street trash ever to operate at the behest of a political machine. At least in the New World. And outside of Cook County. He goes alone among these creatures and shows us what and who they are
On Reddit, WW, on any local public media Ngo is vilified or ignored. Every outlet and every contributor to that outlet sneers, condescends, attacks - the man. Antifa bullied Powell's (agreed, it is a Portland institution so you cannot expect much) into not carrying his book in their store. Certainly they did not allow him to read and speak there.
Never, never forget Powell's hypocritical cowardice - WhenPortland took that knee it declared itself an enemy to free speech, to the truth, to the commonweal. A public appeal should have been made to all free men, to all power brokers: come here now. Your future and your children's future, these are the stakes. The governor and the mayor should have linked arms at the store doors, the PPB and National Guard should have proudly been on site defending the core civil right of a free people. Yes, it would be best if a spontaneous multitude of free men and women had appeared to defend Ngo at Powell's, but the citizenry's despicability is too well established for that to have been anyone's hope.
Seemingly every man's hand is raised against Ngo yet he goes forth with an unperturbed demeanour and a heart that Richard Coer de Lyon could only envy and never equal.
Murray is a giant whose verbal felicity, command of the facts, and driven truth has long made him an idol of mine. People praise the late Hitchens, but Hitchens never thought so well on his feet (remember his mumbling debate with Galloway) nor expressed himself with such clear competence as does Murray.
I sent to a friend the debate you linked to in which he teamed with Taibbi to provide instruction to Gladwell and that woman. He is the best possibe international represenation of my hopes and beliefs. Maybe being gay served as boot camp and combat experience for him, his sexual nature thrusting him into fights he otherwise might have avoided and so gone unschooled. I do not know, but it is telling that it is gay men (and not gay women, actually it is quite the opposite with gay women) that point the way with the sureness of their inner compasses - "There!" they say, "There is dry land and succor. Look to where I point! That is the only future worth the having."
PS
Bruce Bawer, an American I am proud to note, who lives with his husband in Norway has also been tireless in appealing to the better angels of our nature. Likewise he is despised and ignored.
This is really sick. I recall seeing footage on YouTube of him being attacked on several occasions. On principle, I don't believe in the idea of hate crime. But since Andy is Asian and gay, I would think his attack would be considered a hate crime. Couldn't he report it as a hate crime?
Be sure to watch the video of a black guy named Ishmail [sic] Brown repeatedly stabbing an older Asian man on a Seattle train recently. Due to distance and lack of resolution, you can't see full graphic details, but it still has qualities of a horror movie. A bunch of possibly woke whites saved the man from death and dragged him off the train, while the monster stood over a pool of his blood.
One of the biggest lies being told by the left is that hate crimes against Asians, at least violent ones, aren't done mostly by blacks. The way that video was subtly swept down in media coverage is typical, so pass it around and don't let it be forgotten. There are plenty of others showing black-on-Asian beatings, but they require digging since none made Floyd scale headlines.
Too much camera evidence has surfaced in the last 18 months exposing black violence against Asians so they have had to rather let it go. When I was a boy, by god, it was the province of the white man, but we've left themarket so to speak and got on with our lives. For the post part we admire what Asian immigrants bring to the party.
I think it's blatant jealousy between races and the expectation of equity without real effort. They're full of excuses about Asians getting supposed easy money from the government to start stores, ignoring how much work is really involved, and the culture of family discipline and schooling.
I unfortunately listen to too many local politicians and their minions in the media, but it does allow me to notice, as the article states, that none among them ever mentions the word that must not be spoken--Antifa. The one exception I recall was in the summer of 2020 when Multco’s then-sheriff, Mike Reese, let the word slip in a careless moment of candor. I wonder if Mike Schmidt reprimanded him for that.
Lefties are reluctant to label street criminals, just like righties have trouble discussing AGW without snark.
Maybe Antifa could be added to "Portland's Gang List" which is still online (OregonLive) though not updated for years, on purpose. It composition is "overrepresented" by Portland's smallest famous minority group, so more whites would add some balance.
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That is a strong possibility. However, I am a former resident and longtime observer of Portland. When that community is presented with situation which calls for perspecuity, fair mindedness, openess, for Lincolnian generosity and wisdom, a speck of courage, and a love of all that has come before, know this:
Multnomah County's inner shitbird will emerge loudly cawing and majestically flapping its wings. The wrong or criminal decision will be given full throated support and the dank public squalor of outcome will be sung in in heroic passages all throughout the region.
The other day I was driving out of the mountains and some scrub had discarded a sealed plastic bag of bear bones and rotted flesh. I inadvertently drove over it and heard the pop. I pulled over to see what I had done. Within 100 feet the smell was so strong it was as if I had been struck by a blow to the face. The power of the rotting flesh created an super intense aroma of fierce feces-like corruption co-mingled with with that of flesh partially fried by accident and left in public through carelessness. It was Portland speaking to me. I recognized it at once.
I agree with Murray completely. And yes, all of the Portland media are inseparable from the totalitarian Democrat government of Portland and Oregon.
Although, I would not consider The Portland Mercury to be a newspaper. That being said, there is not much difference between the Mercury and the Oregonian or the Portland Tribune, or Willamette Week besides the advertisements. And the local TV news is just as bad if not worse.
And no, one cannot get a fair trial in Portland. The last jury I was on, after the judges specific anti-bias instructions, most of the jurors ignored them completely and made very biased comments and despite evidence ruled using their bias as their guide.
“ you’d have to be a fairly brave local in Portland to sit on a jury that convicted two Antifa thugs. Antifa were roaming the halls of the courthouse, hoping to intimidate the claimant and others”.....imagine you were on the jury against a cop!
The whole system is corrupt AF. Antifa literally murders with impunity. All while the system yawns and gives them a pass.
our fellow citizens give them a pass. I understood Obama's re-election to have been a catastrophe as it ensured the corruption of every American governmental institution. Frankly, I didn't care much for his putative son either.
As I walked through N Portland that re-election evening I looked at the lights within the homes and understood that I was far different in my thinking than my fellows.
During the peaceful canonization of George Floyd I watched the hateful burining, thieving lie that is BLM and the irresponsible viciousness of Antifa and I felt confirmed in my thinking on that evening of his second term. Well, I believe Antifa is under care and guidance and so responsible to a master. The bottomless supply of young and or educated whites, especially women demonstrated then and confirms now that my education and belief system is a profound mismatch with portland's elite.
The system doesn't yawn, it subsidizes and cheers on.
If anyone hasn't seen it yet, the case just turned in Ngo's favor because three deviant slacktivists didn't show up in court. Watch for no more "property can be replaced..." rubbish when THEY have to pay up!
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2023/08/andy-ngo-wins-300k-from-defendants-who-ignored-lawsuit-over-portland-protest-beating.html
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process they do not become monsters. Too late for that.
The fact that Andy Ngo had to bring a civil case is in itself an outrage. The entirety of the law-abiding populace of Portland should be up in arms over this case. I have never seen a more egregious dismissal of law and order than in this case. The lawyer for Antifa should be charged with jury intimidation, the judge should be removed from the bench for allowing it to happen, and Mike Schmidt should be removed from office for not having brought criminal charges in the first place. The people of Portland are so invested in "Keeping Portland Weird" and in being the most progressive of cities, that they have allowed themselves to be cowed by a tyranny of the violent minority. It makes me sad how grateful I am to no longer call this formerly beautiful city home.
For some locals on the verge of moving away (even from the wider metro area that's going woke) it would be vital to have a scientific poll of how many Portlanders fully or partly supported the actual riots. One hopes it's under 10% but something like 30% wouldn't be surprising.
It would depend on when people were polled. In the actual city of Portland, if you polled people the first night I'll bet it wa 80+%. By the time we got to the 100th night, it was probably down to 20-25%.
You literally think 4/5ths of the city supported Antifa/BLM riots at one point? Any specific source for that?
Many people moved here for the climate and scenery, not because we knew you were supposed to be radically stupid to fit in. During the riots, there were large groups lamenting them while still towing the BLM narrative. Jokes are made about "mostly peaceful" but in terms of numbers, it was true. Of course, damages don't require most to be involved.
I'd be surprised if most hill dwellers in expensive homes are ultra liberal, as money tends to breed conservatism. Police know the residences of arrestees and kettlees, which should give demographic insight on the whole thing.
Also, just to be clear, I don't remotely think that the majority of Portlanders approved the antifa-led riots, but I do think that they approved the daytime, organized protests at first.
Yes, I literally do think that on the first night 4/5 of the people within Portland city limits were supportive. As for my source, I said in my original comment that it was my own opinion and experience.
In speaking with people personally, and from reading the newspapers and watching the local tv stations, there were VERY few who said that they didn't support the protests at first. Most of those I spoke with and saw interviewed about the waning support specifically said that they had been sympathetic at first but then thought that things had gone on too long and gotten too out of hand.
The large groups that lamenting the riots did not appear until days after they started, and really kicked in when the daytime protests stopped and the nighttime thuggery continued.
I agree with you, many of us did move to the Portland area for the natural beauty and the creative, vibrant city atmosphere, not necessarily to be over-the-top radical. Sadly, we were also people who very much believed in "live and let live", but the progressive left decided that was no longer acceptable and that everyone had to toe an ideological line or pay the price for dissent.
I was one of the hill dwellers in an expensive home, and in my neighborhood there were more yards with those stupid "In this house..." and BLM yard signs than not. And mine was a supposedly conservative area. Conservative for Portland doesn't necessarily mean conservative in reality.
I've come to see anyone who still has a Burn, Loot, Murder sign in their yard as pragmatically evil or naïve the the point of catatonia. How can they not see what their cause has done to the city by crippling the police and unleashing gangs & homeless? Do they think phantom Nazis did all that damage? Jo Ann Hardesty got away with implying that cops burned things in the streets to mimic Antifa.
In early June, 2020 when smug mobs cornered police in their caged Justice Center, I was passing by before a nightly riot started and told some cops I support them. It was noisy but one black bloc cretin overheard me and almost organized a posse. They were too fixated on their prey to follow through but I was prepared to maim any attackers. The police just had to stand there and bear the vitriol, lasers and thrown objects (I felt like renting a helicopter and dumping industrial waste on the whole crowd). KGW made some good videos with several cops talking about those days.
Later, in March 2021,. when cops scored a win by kettling Antifa near the Safeway on Lovejoy, I also chanced to be in the area. Not yet knowing what was going on, I walked up to the store but it was closed for safety. Some screechy 20ish woman (with the typical woke cadence) was screaming the full BLM playbook in a cop's face and I was tempted to say "Shut up, you Marxist dingbat!", but they'd have swarmed like army ants! OPB and others spun their articles to emphasize that kettling is "controversial," but it was very satisfying to watch. That night probably netted good intel as they took photos and IDs of 100 or so.
I can't think of ANYTHING good that came from BLM and its Antifa boosters,. except the rush they got in their own minds, which may have surpassed some of their sleazy drug trips or kink sessions. The irritating thing is that they still lurk in the city, often hiding behind pseudo COVID masks these days.
I'm glad to hear you made it through both encounters unscathed. Those mobs were so dangerous, drunk on their own power and adrenaline.
That little gay Asian guy, Ngo? More guts than a slaughterhouse and if I could be someone else and so be more than I am or if I could acquire heroic personal qualities it would be those which Ngo possesses. I have stood nearly lip to lip with Antifa and know them to be the nastiest street trash ever to operate at the behest of a political machine. At least in the New World. And outside of Cook County. He goes alone among these creatures and shows us what and who they are
On Reddit, WW, on any local public media Ngo is vilified or ignored. Every outlet and every contributor to that outlet sneers, condescends, attacks - the man. Antifa bullied Powell's (agreed, it is a Portland institution so you cannot expect much) into not carrying his book in their store. Certainly they did not allow him to read and speak there.
Never, never forget Powell's hypocritical cowardice - WhenPortland took that knee it declared itself an enemy to free speech, to the truth, to the commonweal. A public appeal should have been made to all free men, to all power brokers: come here now. Your future and your children's future, these are the stakes. The governor and the mayor should have linked arms at the store doors, the PPB and National Guard should have proudly been on site defending the core civil right of a free people. Yes, it would be best if a spontaneous multitude of free men and women had appeared to defend Ngo at Powell's, but the citizenry's despicability is too well established for that to have been anyone's hope.
Seemingly every man's hand is raised against Ngo yet he goes forth with an unperturbed demeanour and a heart that Richard Coer de Lyon could only envy and never equal.
Murray is a giant whose verbal felicity, command of the facts, and driven truth has long made him an idol of mine. People praise the late Hitchens, but Hitchens never thought so well on his feet (remember his mumbling debate with Galloway) nor expressed himself with such clear competence as does Murray.
I sent to a friend the debate you linked to in which he teamed with Taibbi to provide instruction to Gladwell and that woman. He is the best possibe international represenation of my hopes and beliefs. Maybe being gay served as boot camp and combat experience for him, his sexual nature thrusting him into fights he otherwise might have avoided and so gone unschooled. I do not know, but it is telling that it is gay men (and not gay women, actually it is quite the opposite with gay women) that point the way with the sureness of their inner compasses - "There!" they say, "There is dry land and succor. Look to where I point! That is the only future worth the having."
PS
Bruce Bawer, an American I am proud to note, who lives with his husband in Norway has also been tireless in appealing to the better angels of our nature. Likewise he is despised and ignored.
This is really sick. I recall seeing footage on YouTube of him being attacked on several occasions. On principle, I don't believe in the idea of hate crime. But since Andy is Asian and gay, I would think his attack would be considered a hate crime. Couldn't he report it as a hate crime?
Be sure to watch the video of a black guy named Ishmail [sic] Brown repeatedly stabbing an older Asian man on a Seattle train recently. Due to distance and lack of resolution, you can't see full graphic details, but it still has qualities of a horror movie. A bunch of possibly woke whites saved the man from death and dragged him off the train, while the monster stood over a pool of his blood.
One of the biggest lies being told by the left is that hate crimes against Asians, at least violent ones, aren't done mostly by blacks. The way that video was subtly swept down in media coverage is typical, so pass it around and don't let it be forgotten. There are plenty of others showing black-on-Asian beatings, but they require digging since none made Floyd scale headlines.
Too much camera evidence has surfaced in the last 18 months exposing black violence against Asians so they have had to rather let it go. When I was a boy, by god, it was the province of the white man, but we've left themarket so to speak and got on with our lives. For the post part we admire what Asian immigrants bring to the party.
I think it's blatant jealousy between races and the expectation of equity without real effort. They're full of excuses about Asians getting supposed easy money from the government to start stores, ignoring how much work is really involved, and the culture of family discipline and schooling.
I unfortunately listen to too many local politicians and their minions in the media, but it does allow me to notice, as the article states, that none among them ever mentions the word that must not be spoken--Antifa. The one exception I recall was in the summer of 2020 when Multco’s then-sheriff, Mike Reese, let the word slip in a careless moment of candor. I wonder if Mike Schmidt reprimanded him for that.
Lefties are reluctant to label street criminals, just like righties have trouble discussing AGW without snark.
Maybe Antifa could be added to "Portland's Gang List" which is still online (OregonLive) though not updated for years, on purpose. It composition is "overrepresented" by Portland's smallest famous minority group, so more whites would add some balance.
I know we want to point to “Portland”, but another possibility is poor lawyering.
He was represented by the Dhillon Law Group, run by Harmeet Dhillon. They are a known as being a world class outfit, so I don't think that was it.
That is a strong possibility. However, I am a former resident and longtime observer of Portland. When that community is presented with situation which calls for perspecuity, fair mindedness, openess, for Lincolnian generosity and wisdom, a speck of courage, and a love of all that has come before, know this:
Multnomah County's inner shitbird will emerge loudly cawing and majestically flapping its wings. The wrong or criminal decision will be given full throated support and the dank public squalor of outcome will be sung in in heroic passages all throughout the region.
The other day I was driving out of the mountains and some scrub had discarded a sealed plastic bag of bear bones and rotted flesh. I inadvertently drove over it and heard the pop. I pulled over to see what I had done. Within 100 feet the smell was so strong it was as if I had been struck by a blow to the face. The power of the rotting flesh created an super intense aroma of fierce feces-like corruption co-mingled with with that of flesh partially fried by accident and left in public through carelessness. It was Portland speaking to me. I recognized it at once.
Once again Portland is a f#%king joke! I hope Ngo is able to appeal. Also that nut job Michelle Burrows should be disbarred for intimidation tactics!
I agree with Murray completely. And yes, all of the Portland media are inseparable from the totalitarian Democrat government of Portland and Oregon.
Although, I would not consider The Portland Mercury to be a newspaper. That being said, there is not much difference between the Mercury and the Oregonian or the Portland Tribune, or Willamette Week besides the advertisements. And the local TV news is just as bad if not worse.
And no, one cannot get a fair trial in Portland. The last jury I was on, after the judges specific anti-bias instructions, most of the jurors ignored them completely and made very biased comments and despite evidence ruled using their bias as their guide.