I’ve had to restrain mentally ill and confused individuals as a healthcare provider. And sometimes it takes 4 people, a sedative and they don’t have any weapons on them. I can see exactly why this happened. Lucky for me I don’t have city council watching my every move while I’m in high stress situations. I feel bad for them. They should be thanked for their service.
He also probably OD’d or if it was a technical OD, his body/lungs had less capacity to deal with a physical struggle.
The individual was psychotic and likely intoxicated with something. I would have liked to see the police get him quickly restrained and stretchered off with lots of help from EMS to a local ER ASAP. You need about six police officers and 3 EMT to make that happen. When we defund the police, don't support them, criticize them when they are in an impossible situation, we do a bit disservice to our communities. We need the best and the brightest in the police department, but we should outlaw public employee unions which only muddy the waters in cases like this. God, please, save us from the democratic party here in Oregon.
So, I've viewed the body cam footage and I don't see anything in error with the manner that the officers fulfilled their duties and their training.
The reason police leave people like this lying on their front is because when violent, and potentially dangerous people face officers, they often try to BITE and SPIT. This can be extremely dangerous for officers because it can expose them to all kinds of infection, illness and even Fentanyl poisoning. That is why they are kept NOT facing officers.
What the medical examiner needs to do is look into "excited delirium." This happens when a person, like perhaps this deceased man, is high on METH, cocaine, or crack, and their hearts are beating at three to four times the normal rate. Think about that...
Then they go into "AFib" or "atrial fibrillation." And their heart stops. Is that the fault of police? NO. It is NOT the fault of police. It is merely a reality of dealing with mentally ill, drug using individuals who cannot self-regulate.
"Excited Delirium" due to drug toxicity and the resulting "Atrial Fibrillation." I guarantee you that both of those things are related to these 'prone' deaths, while in police custody and to THIS death specifically.
I hope that the Portland Police look into this. It would be a good way to accurately explain what happened. This is NOT on the Portland Police, this is simply a reality of being a longtime drug addict, who is also mentally ill and unable to make good choices, or self-regulate.
The term "excited delirium" has recently been criticized by armchair experts, and cop haters, because it's used to understand and justify how people can die in what would be normal police arrests. So because of politics, it has come under attack, and is now out of favor... but now (since 2021) there is another term for it, as created by the "American College of Emergency Physicians" and that new term is called, "hyperactive delirium with severe agitation."
I just watched city of Portland committee on public safety meeting rescheduled from 7/10. PPD gave update on 2024 activities report that is apart of DOJ settlement. Co chair Kanal took full advantage to maximize the anti cop cause with this situation. Kanal lined up public testimony with his cohorts. As usual, was no balance to counter this. The PPD members had to sit and watch this. In the beginning, this PPD member stated she was proud of her affiliation with PPD. He furthered his agenda to damage PPD’ s public reputation DESPITE the report participation.
Then, Angelita voted no on advancing the PPD report to full council. I have not had time to wrap my head around this one. At beginning, PPD spokesperson stated the report was mandatory in front of full council according to settlement. It would happen sometime near September.
Governance committee discussed Oregon public meeting laws on 7/7. It centered on Council Members abilities to “discuss items” outside of public meetings environment” as a group. Up to 6 council members can meet without the public knowing because 7 is quorum.
The staffer made it sound like many have not completed their mandatory training.
At 15:36: Ryan discusses concerns with commitee meetings intersecting quorum issues.
Yesterday’s “rescheduled committee meeting “ seemed contrived in my opinion. Kanal, Novak and angelita had full reign( that was intened) with Zimmerman absent. The queen, was super quiet. That was odd. No large tangents in defense of the black and brown people.
During 6/26 climate meeting, Ryan called out, co chair angelita for poor governance for not staying on task. Deceiving the public with the title of the meeting, then discussing something completely off topic. Angelita pulled a simlar move, as Kanal, to damage NW natural’s reputation at a this meeting on 6/26. NW natural had to sign up for public testimony. They stated they were not notified asked to participate in this dialouge.
It seems the chronic Macadam ICE obsession may have muted this incident in cracktivist circles, but the same old talking points are circulating, as you note. Armchair compassionistas make no effort to put themselves in cops' shoes, which is highly disingenuous.
This piece doesn't mention his stint in the Navy, show in a better-days photo. He had accomplished a few things when younger.
As a retired nurse I watched this video closely. Nothing that these policemen did was wrong. What they lacked was a health care professional on hand who could legally administer a strong, sedating antipsychotic drug in order to transport him to an ER, but of course that option isn't an available tool anywhere that I know of. The guy was delusional and not going to cooperate, no matter how nice they were. To any armchair quarterbacks out there, these officers handled this situation with restraint, dignity and respect, and I commend them for their service.
"Police officers can often escalate situations unnecessarily. They’re people, after all, and many people lack the skills necessary to manage a contentious social interaction. However, police are also rarely called upon in situations where someone doesn’t need to be de-escalated. Put differently, cops show up when something has already hit the fan, when emotions and tensions are high. The reason why people often resort to police is because they possess both the authority and - this is very important - the means of violence to impose order. If this wasn’t the case, nobody would call the police, would they?
The utility of a police officer is the very thing people hate most about them: they have the authority to use violence. The police are of no use, otherwise. Their business is violence and nobody, cop or not, should expect police to do their jobs without at least the threat of violence being on the table."
I was lucky to have a brother-in-law who was a cop. He could use violence--but he had a great dislike of fellow cops who went that route. "Larry the Cop" was just about the most easy-going man I've ever known; his first response was de-escalation.
Yes, they can use "violence," but they have many more tools in their arsenal, among them bravery (you never know what's lurking behind the closed door with weird noises on the other side), humor, empathy, and diplomacy, to name a few.
People call the cops for many more reasons than to bring on board violence--in fact, the whole idea of the police is to relieve the citizen of resort to revenge, score-settling, preemptive assault, honor-murder...which was the norm before cops were invented. And still is in many parts of the world.
Cops have more to do with authority than violence...that and a willingness to be among human wreckage that would send the average citizen screaming into the night.
The post was a long meditation on the benefits of physical size and its implied threat of a man’s ability to use non-lethal physical force when he arrives on scene to de-escalate. I was struck by its relevance to the bodycam footage of three men arriving at Argyle Gardens.
Watching the part of the video where the officers entered the elevator, not knowing what would await them less than 15 minutes later. Very eerie. Support for them and their families. They absolutely tried their best.
One more time we see the abject failure by the City of Portland to deal with the people so desperately in need. So what happens? #1, the NGOs receiving all that city taxpayer money responsible to help these people are, as usual, AWOL. #2, the PPD takes it in the neck when somebody completely loses it that should have been off the street long ago. A complete failure that goes on and on.
Portland has the worst politicians in the country, well, except for maybe Chicago and LA. As for these poor policemen, asked to do the impossible and then blamed when everything goes wrong -- you have my deepest sympathies and if you're raising money for a defense, let us know where to send the checks.
Soon, all the purple haired losers, with nose rings, will be pouring out of their mom’s basements. These officers will stand there and take it on. I liken it to having to enter a 106 sq ft space to deal with a drug crazed lunatic.. That does take balls. They are showing up and serving their community. Most clowns will chalk it up to a Rodney Dangerfield rant, “ I don't get no respect… ( you fill your portion of the ending).”
I’ve had to restrain mentally ill and confused individuals as a healthcare provider. And sometimes it takes 4 people, a sedative and they don’t have any weapons on them. I can see exactly why this happened. Lucky for me I don’t have city council watching my every move while I’m in high stress situations. I feel bad for them. They should be thanked for their service.
He also probably OD’d or if it was a technical OD, his body/lungs had less capacity to deal with a physical struggle.
The individual was psychotic and likely intoxicated with something. I would have liked to see the police get him quickly restrained and stretchered off with lots of help from EMS to a local ER ASAP. You need about six police officers and 3 EMT to make that happen. When we defund the police, don't support them, criticize them when they are in an impossible situation, we do a bit disservice to our communities. We need the best and the brightest in the police department, but we should outlaw public employee unions which only muddy the waters in cases like this. God, please, save us from the democratic party here in Oregon.
So, I've viewed the body cam footage and I don't see anything in error with the manner that the officers fulfilled their duties and their training.
The reason police leave people like this lying on their front is because when violent, and potentially dangerous people face officers, they often try to BITE and SPIT. This can be extremely dangerous for officers because it can expose them to all kinds of infection, illness and even Fentanyl poisoning. That is why they are kept NOT facing officers.
What the medical examiner needs to do is look into "excited delirium." This happens when a person, like perhaps this deceased man, is high on METH, cocaine, or crack, and their hearts are beating at three to four times the normal rate. Think about that...
Then they go into "AFib" or "atrial fibrillation." And their heart stops. Is that the fault of police? NO. It is NOT the fault of police. It is merely a reality of dealing with mentally ill, drug using individuals who cannot self-regulate.
"Excited Delirium" due to drug toxicity and the resulting "Atrial Fibrillation." I guarantee you that both of those things are related to these 'prone' deaths, while in police custody and to THIS death specifically.
I hope that the Portland Police look into this. It would be a good way to accurately explain what happened. This is NOT on the Portland Police, this is simply a reality of being a longtime drug addict, who is also mentally ill and unable to make good choices, or self-regulate.
The term "excited delirium" has recently been criticized by armchair experts, and cop haters, because it's used to understand and justify how people can die in what would be normal police arrests. So because of politics, it has come under attack, and is now out of favor... but now (since 2021) there is another term for it, as created by the "American College of Emergency Physicians" and that new term is called, "hyperactive delirium with severe agitation."
It is exactly the same thing.
I just watched city of Portland committee on public safety meeting rescheduled from 7/10. PPD gave update on 2024 activities report that is apart of DOJ settlement. Co chair Kanal took full advantage to maximize the anti cop cause with this situation. Kanal lined up public testimony with his cohorts. As usual, was no balance to counter this. The PPD members had to sit and watch this. In the beginning, this PPD member stated she was proud of her affiliation with PPD. He furthered his agenda to damage PPD’ s public reputation DESPITE the report participation.
https://www.youtube.com/live/z0qbUmfHdT4?si=Se6nJ3rTUf3OA48S
Then, Angelita voted no on advancing the PPD report to full council. I have not had time to wrap my head around this one. At beginning, PPD spokesperson stated the report was mandatory in front of full council according to settlement. It would happen sometime near September.
Governance committee discussed Oregon public meeting laws on 7/7. It centered on Council Members abilities to “discuss items” outside of public meetings environment” as a group. Up to 6 council members can meet without the public knowing because 7 is quorum.
The staffer made it sound like many have not completed their mandatory training.
At 15:36: Ryan discusses concerns with commitee meetings intersecting quorum issues.
https://www.youtube.com/live/vVkWpGJRnuQ?si=RKWynW_0CONsiApa
Yesterday’s “rescheduled committee meeting “ seemed contrived in my opinion. Kanal, Novak and angelita had full reign( that was intened) with Zimmerman absent. The queen, was super quiet. That was odd. No large tangents in defense of the black and brown people.
During 6/26 climate meeting, Ryan called out, co chair angelita for poor governance for not staying on task. Deceiving the public with the title of the meeting, then discussing something completely off topic. Angelita pulled a simlar move, as Kanal, to damage NW natural’s reputation at a this meeting on 6/26. NW natural had to sign up for public testimony. They stated they were not notified asked to participate in this dialouge.
Start 1:56:20
https://www.youtube.com/live/1nBPYXrWs1A?si=oGZip36cO9O5fNuS
I would like to know if THC was in the bloodstream. There is mounting evidence chronic THC use is causing psychosis.
It seems the chronic Macadam ICE obsession may have muted this incident in cracktivist circles, but the same old talking points are circulating, as you note. Armchair compassionistas make no effort to put themselves in cops' shoes, which is highly disingenuous.
This piece doesn't mention his stint in the Navy, show in a better-days photo. He had accomplished a few things when younger.
As a retired nurse I watched this video closely. Nothing that these policemen did was wrong. What they lacked was a health care professional on hand who could legally administer a strong, sedating antipsychotic drug in order to transport him to an ER, but of course that option isn't an available tool anywhere that I know of. The guy was delusional and not going to cooperate, no matter how nice they were. To any armchair quarterbacks out there, these officers handled this situation with restraint, dignity and respect, and I commend them for their service.
https://open.substack.com/pub/agentmax/p/stupid-ideas-have-stupid-consequences
"Police officers can often escalate situations unnecessarily. They’re people, after all, and many people lack the skills necessary to manage a contentious social interaction. However, police are also rarely called upon in situations where someone doesn’t need to be de-escalated. Put differently, cops show up when something has already hit the fan, when emotions and tensions are high. The reason why people often resort to police is because they possess both the authority and - this is very important - the means of violence to impose order. If this wasn’t the case, nobody would call the police, would they?
The utility of a police officer is the very thing people hate most about them: they have the authority to use violence. The police are of no use, otherwise. Their business is violence and nobody, cop or not, should expect police to do their jobs without at least the threat of violence being on the table."
I was lucky to have a brother-in-law who was a cop. He could use violence--but he had a great dislike of fellow cops who went that route. "Larry the Cop" was just about the most easy-going man I've ever known; his first response was de-escalation.
Yes, they can use "violence," but they have many more tools in their arsenal, among them bravery (you never know what's lurking behind the closed door with weird noises on the other side), humor, empathy, and diplomacy, to name a few.
People call the cops for many more reasons than to bring on board violence--in fact, the whole idea of the police is to relieve the citizen of resort to revenge, score-settling, preemptive assault, honor-murder...which was the norm before cops were invented. And still is in many parts of the world.
Cops have more to do with authority than violence...that and a willingness to be among human wreckage that would send the average citizen screaming into the night.
They're there to save you from the shit-show.
The post was a long meditation on the benefits of physical size and its implied threat of a man’s ability to use non-lethal physical force when he arrives on scene to de-escalate. I was struck by its relevance to the bodycam footage of three men arriving at Argyle Gardens.
Watching the part of the video where the officers entered the elevator, not knowing what would await them less than 15 minutes later. Very eerie. Support for them and their families. They absolutely tried their best.
eek a mouse
One more time we see the abject failure by the City of Portland to deal with the people so desperately in need. So what happens? #1, the NGOs receiving all that city taxpayer money responsible to help these people are, as usual, AWOL. #2, the PPD takes it in the neck when somebody completely loses it that should have been off the street long ago. A complete failure that goes on and on.
It's not just the city of Portland; how come an NGO with $35-million in hand can't do its share, especially when they're monetizing "the homeless?"
Making too much money rich, ain’t got time for that bullshit
Portland has the worst politicians in the country, well, except for maybe Chicago and LA. As for these poor policemen, asked to do the impossible and then blamed when everything goes wrong -- you have my deepest sympathies and if you're raising money for a defense, let us know where to send the checks.
Sad. The police are put into impossible situations.
Soon, all the purple haired losers, with nose rings, will be pouring out of their mom’s basements. These officers will stand there and take it on. I liken it to having to enter a 106 sq ft space to deal with a drug crazed lunatic.. That does take balls. They are showing up and serving their community. Most clowns will chalk it up to a Rodney Dangerfield rant, “ I don't get no respect… ( you fill your portion of the ending).”