I don't get it, and this article did not help. I don't want any progressives on the list I select, and that doesn't leave many people that I do want to rank. If I select only one person, like we used to do, how am I affecting that person's chances of winning? If I rank only 2 or 3 (at most) in what ways am I helping or hurting the chances for my top selection to win?
Rank Choice Voting “RCV” invites the problem of “ballot exhaustion,” which occurs when too many voters rank too few candidates such that their vote is not counted in the final runoff. Consider an election where five candidates are running but a voter ranks only three, all of whom get eliminated before the final tally. Since none of his votes will have gone to either the winner or the runner-up, his ballot is effectively discarded.
Thanks for responding. I see that there is no shortage of candidates. I hope that Portland follows Alaska’s lead and repeals this sucker before the next election.
So, then, comrade, the path to voter democracy is to dis-equalize votes in order to select a clear winner to be the people’s representative. Oregon is thus on its way to being a bold leader among states for voter democracy, right behind the state of Alaska.
The average voter likely thinks of 50% + as a majority needed to win something important, not 25%. There's a good chance that in at least one of the four districts, voters will wake up the day[s] after the final count, look across the breakfast table and say "Who the f*** are these people?", thus the new council will face a credibility problem from the jump. The only way to try to minimize this credibility gap would be to also report any earlier tallies where one, then another of the ranked candidates had come close to 50% before the excess over 25% threshold peeled off the excess for redistribution. I wonder what Mr. Scott thinks about this possibility.
I think Tim sees himself as a kind of mechanic or engineer: the pols and people tell him what to do and give him the tools he needs to do it...and that's his job. Kinda remarkable that Scott's beliefs--which he won't discuss-aren't a part of it. A rarity in local politics.
I laughed so hard when the democrat won in Alaska as a result of RCV. I haven’t looked to see who’s running against her this time but the Republican will probably win this go around.
Ranked choice voting undermines elections by trashing 1000s of votes, disenfranchising those who cannot in good conscience vote for some candidates and those who are confused by the system. It allows manipulation of results by scheme rather than ensuring 1 person, 1 vote.
I agree; my basic method of evaluating these measures is to look at who is proposing and promoting them. No one in politics does ANYTHING that will help the "other side." Remember that, and all will be well.
Tim is absolutely, positively right--and I was frankly amazed when he said it. Very close to a value-judgment...from perhaps the only bureaucrat in Portland who understands how this works.
Oregon is now the dumping ground for looney progressive ideas. To paraphrase Scott: If you don't understand it, don't vote for it.
Richard what’s your voting strategy approach on the mayoral race? I’m thinking of just ranking Gonzalez. Obviously Wilson would be better than Rubio but he basically seems like a nice sounding but naive “Rubio Lite”. To think everyone will willingly go to shelters is laughable, yet Wilson says arrests are off the table. No consequences….sounds like more of the same to me.
"Only Oregon voters are dumb enough to approve something before it passes its first test in Portland"
OREGONIANS ARE SO STUPID...
how stupid are they?
Oregonians are so stupid, they thought it was a good idea to blow up a dead sperm whale with 20 cases of dynamite.
This is so confusing and dishonest. I don't like it, not one bit. But I'm glad for the advice here... Good grief.
I don't get it, and this article did not help. I don't want any progressives on the list I select, and that doesn't leave many people that I do want to rank. If I select only one person, like we used to do, how am I affecting that person's chances of winning? If I rank only 2 or 3 (at most) in what ways am I helping or hurting the chances for my top selection to win?
Rank Choice Voting “RCV” invites the problem of “ballot exhaustion,” which occurs when too many voters rank too few candidates such that their vote is not counted in the final runoff. Consider an election where five candidates are running but a voter ranks only three, all of whom get eliminated before the final tally. Since none of his votes will have gone to either the winner or the runner-up, his ballot is effectively discarded.
Thanks for responding. I see that there is no shortage of candidates. I hope that Portland follows Alaska’s lead and repeals this sucker before the next election.
So, then, comrade, the path to voter democracy is to dis-equalize votes in order to select a clear winner to be the people’s representative. Oregon is thus on its way to being a bold leader among states for voter democracy, right behind the state of Alaska.
The average voter likely thinks of 50% + as a majority needed to win something important, not 25%. There's a good chance that in at least one of the four districts, voters will wake up the day[s] after the final count, look across the breakfast table and say "Who the f*** are these people?", thus the new council will face a credibility problem from the jump. The only way to try to minimize this credibility gap would be to also report any earlier tallies where one, then another of the ranked candidates had come close to 50% before the excess over 25% threshold peeled off the excess for redistribution. I wonder what Mr. Scott thinks about this possibility.
I think Tim sees himself as a kind of mechanic or engineer: the pols and people tell him what to do and give him the tools he needs to do it...and that's his job. Kinda remarkable that Scott's beliefs--which he won't discuss-aren't a part of it. A rarity in local politics.
Credibility problem yes. But they will still be getting paid. A lot, imo.
I laughed so hard when the democrat won in Alaska as a result of RCV. I haven’t looked to see who’s running against her this time but the Republican will probably win this go around.
What a freakin' mess.
Ranked choice voting undermines elections by trashing 1000s of votes, disenfranchising those who cannot in good conscience vote for some candidates and those who are confused by the system. It allows manipulation of results by scheme rather than ensuring 1 person, 1 vote.
I agree; my basic method of evaluating these measures is to look at who is proposing and promoting them. No one in politics does ANYTHING that will help the "other side." Remember that, and all will be well.
Ranked choice voting disenfranchises the will of the people. It manipilates the voting process and should be unconstitutional.
Vote by mail ➕ ranked-choice voting 🟰 pure chaos.
!!!Please email this out again right when ballots start to be mailed out!!!
Thank you! Spread the word:
“If you don’t want a candidate to win, don’t rank them!”
Tim is absolutely, positively right--and I was frankly amazed when he said it. Very close to a value-judgment...from perhaps the only bureaucrat in Portland who understands how this works.
Oregon is now the dumping ground for looney progressive ideas. To paraphrase Scott: If you don't understand it, don't vote for it.
Richard what’s your voting strategy approach on the mayoral race? I’m thinking of just ranking Gonzalez. Obviously Wilson would be better than Rubio but he basically seems like a nice sounding but naive “Rubio Lite”. To think everyone will willingly go to shelters is laughable, yet Wilson says arrests are off the table. No consequences….sounds like more of the same to me.